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home | newest check | boards | help index | log | ps | userlogin | send sysop | slog | status forward | bcm news | users | version | remove cookieG8MNY > TECH 10.05.25 16:43l 90 Lines 4289 Bytes #7 (0) @ WW BID : 32293_GB7CIP Subj: Meter Damping & Speed Up Path: JH4XSY<N3HYM<W0ARP<LU9DCE<VE3TOK<IR0AAB<I0OJJ<I0OJJ<GB7CIP Sent: 250510/0738Z @:GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO #:32293 [Caterham Surrey GBR] >From g8mny%gb7cip.#32.gbr.euro@i0ojj.ampr.org Sat May 10 09:40:42 2025 Received: from i0ojj.ampr.org by i0ojj.ampr.org (JNOS2.0p.8) with SMTP id AA17031619 ; Sat, 10 May 2025 09:40:42 +0200 Message-Id: <32293_GB7CIP@i0ojj.bbs> >From: g8mny@gb7cip.#32.gbr.euro X-JNOS-User-Port: Telnet (i0ojj @ 44.134.109.10) -> Sending message From: G8MNY@GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO To : TECH@WW By G8MNY (Corrections Jan 06) (8 Bit ASCII graphics use code page 437 or 850, Terminal Font) Here are two methods to damp & speed up moving coil meters movements that swing wildly or need speeding up in Pulsed DC, Audio, Modulation & RF applications (e.g. cheap DC meters, VU meters, PPM, Modulation meters, RF SWR bridges etc.) TYPICAL METER CIRCUIT Angle _ AF/RF oÄÄÄÄÄR1calÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ³ / `\ _ DETECTOR ÄÄÄoÄÄ>oÄÄÄÄÄR2calÄÄÄÄÄ´ ³ / \ / `\._,ú""ú- DC RANGE ³ ³ / `-' SWITCH METER ³ / ³ ³ / _³_ ³_./ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄTime DAMPING As the meter has a spring & mass the overshoot oscillations have a time constant, normally damped by the air flowing over the needle & possibly eddy current damping in a short circuit turn of a metal coil bobbin. Since the moving meter also acts as a generator additional external damping can be used using a matching RC time constant. Angle _ Under damped AF/RF oÄÄÄÄÄR1calÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ³ / `\._ DETECTOR ÄÄÄoÄÄ>oÄÄÄÄÄR2calÄÄÄÄÄ´ + C damp ³ Right /'";=----- DC RANGE +ÃÄÄÄ´ÃÄÄ¿ ³ /.-'\ SWITCH METER ³ ³ /' Over damped ÃÄÄÄÄRÄÄÙ ³ / _³_ damp ³___./ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄTime For the R damp initially use a 10k pot, & Caps in the range of 10u-220u (10V). Then apply a known step pulse (DC/tone/RF) that should not have an overshoot but does on the meter. Adjust the R damp for minimum overshoot, then swap the C damp for other values. You will soon get a feel for the action of the R & C on the ballistics of the meter. When you have decided on the best value R, try the nearest fixed value R to see if it is OK. You should be able to get a fairly fast immediate 100% reading of the correct value with no overshoot. SPEEDING UP Now that the meter is properly damped, speed up Capacitors can be added across the series Rcals until the meter shows signs of a faster overshoot. A different value is needed for each Rcal multiplier arm. + C1sp ÚÄÄÄÄ´ÃÄÄÄ¿ Angle _ /Csp Too Big AF/RF oÄÄÁÄÄR1calÄÄÁÄÄ¿ ³ | \ DETECTOR ÄÄÄoÄÄ>oÄÄÂÄÄR2calÄÄÂÄÄ´ + Cdmp ³ |"""""""" DC RANGE ÀÄÄÄÄ´ÃÄÄÄÙ +ÃÄÄ´ÃÄ¿ ³ | \Csp Just right SWITCH + C2sp METER ³ ³ | ÃÄÄRÄÄÙ ³ | \ Much Faster _³_ dmp ³____| Rise Time ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄTime The value of Csp is dependent on value on the Rcal multiplier arm & the source voltage impedance. Start with values in the range 0.2uF to 10uF at a suitable voltage. (N.B. if the C is leaky it may alter the calibration on a high value multiplier arm!). If the value is too big the meter will over read & then settle, if too small there is little effect. Typically the rise time can be halved when the right value is found. RESULTS With the 2 modifications the ballistics of the overall meter will give the performance of much more expensive movement. See also my Tech buls on "Meter Movement Types", "Drake WH7 QRO HF SWR Bridge", "A Homebrew HF SWR Bridge", "PEP Meter modification", "QRP SWR Bridge", & "HF ATU & SWR Bridge VC300LP/QT-1". Why Don't U send an interesting bul? 73 De John, G8MNY @ GB7CIP
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