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G8MNY > TECH 23.04.24 15:31l 111 Lines 3942 Bytes #4 (0) @ WW
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By G8MNY (Corrected Mar 06)
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LA6EAH asked for a circuit to feed 3 RF signals from VCR to a TV..
With the systems options below if there is an external aerial, then 2 clear RF
channels are needed per modulator, as they are normal AM not VSB. Also check on
digital TV signals as these often appear as just high noise on your VCR
channel!
If you can check on a spectrum analyser, you will clearly see how good or poor
the setup is...
Strong
10 mVｴCar Sound Sound .ｳ. Sound
3 mvｴ ｳ. FM ｳ .ｳ. ｳ
1 mVｴ ｳ. ｳ Nicam Weak Signal Unwanted ｳ .ｳ. Colｳ Unwanted
0.3mVｴ ｳ. Colｳｺ _______ Sound ｳ/\.. ｳ ../\ｳ Sound
0.1mVｴ.ｳ ../\ｳｺ ｳ COFDM ｳ 2x ｳ ｳ ｳ 2x
30uVｴ ｳ ｳｺ ------ｳ ｳ------ | Unwantedｳ ｳ |
10uVｳ ｳ ｳｺ ｳ2nd ord -20dB growth ｳ | L S B ｳ ｳ |
ﾀﾄﾂﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾂﾄ ﾄﾂﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾂﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾂﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾂﾄ ﾄﾂﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾂﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾂﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾂﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾂ
8MHz ch 1ch +2 dirty ch! 2 channels + products
NORMAL V.S.B. TV C.O.F.D.M. DIGITAL TV D.S.B. (AM) VCR OUTPUT
It is easy to put the wide VCR output over a wanted channel, or have a digital
channel under the chosen VCR channel seen as noise on the VCR output.
Also amplifying a digital signal before the Rx often leads to corruption of the
digital signal, as amplifiers have to be VERY LINEAR to handle the weak digital
signals in the presence of stronger analogue signals.
OPTION 1 The normal way
ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ
AERIAL>ﾄｴ VCR1 ﾃﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｴ VCR2 ﾃﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｴ VCR3 ﾃﾄﾄﾄｴ TV ｳ
ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ Attenuate ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ Attenuate ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ
3-6dB 3-6dB
Because most VCRs have 3-6dB RF gain in their aerial isolating amplifiers,
attenuators are often needed, so that the following VCRs are not overloaded
with the sometimes stronger modulator outputs. Some older VCRs have local-
distant switches to help improve their sensitivity & through linearity.
The attenuators can just be made up of the thin lossy leads you normally get
with the VCRs!
There are no losses in this system just RF amplifier problems.
OPTION 2 The abnormal way
ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ
AERIAL>ﾄﾄｴ VCR1 ﾃﾄﾄｴ ﾃﾄﾄﾄｴ TV ｳ
ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ ｳ ｳ ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ
ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ ｳCOMBINERｳ
ｳ VCR2 ﾃﾄﾄｴ ｳ
ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ ｳ ｳ
ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ ｳ ｳ
ｳ VCR2 ﾃﾄﾄｴ ｳ
ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ
The combiner can be any of several types:-
using 2 x low loss (3.5dB ea) standard splitters, although matching is dubious!
3.5dB loss (o)_________________________
_______ ｳ )| FB
7dB loss (o) ｳ )| FB 150R )ﾄﾄﾄﾄ(o)
150R )ﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄ(o)(o)_ｳ____)|
7dB Loss (o)___ｳ___)|
or a dedicated 3 way resistive splitter eg. 4x 39R in a star network properly
matched to 75R.
(o)-39Rﾄｿ
(o)-39Rﾄﾅﾄ39R-(o)
(o)-39Rﾄﾙ ｳ
ｳ___________ｳ Port to any port 10dB loss
or slightly less loss with a dedicated matching ferrite bead transformer.
(o)-47Rﾄｿ ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄ(o
(o)-47Rﾄｴ__)| 2t ｳ
(o)-47Rﾄﾙ )| 1t ｳ Port to common port loss 7.5dB (0.5dB in Xformer)
ｳ________ｳ______ｳ
OPTION 3 The switch way
ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ
AERIAL>ﾄﾄｴ VCR1 ﾃﾄﾄｿ
ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ ｳ
ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ o ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ
ｳ VCR2 ﾃﾄﾄo<ﾄﾄﾄｴ TV ｳ
ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ o ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ
ﾚﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄｿ ｳ
ｳ VCR2 ﾃﾄﾄﾙ
ﾀﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾄﾙ
Good switches at UHF are rare! Most have 1-2dB insertion loss & only 20dB
isolation.
Why Don't U send an interesting bul?
73 de John G8MNY @ GB7CIP
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